Posts by Stumpy

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JW Sites?

by EternalPettingZoo in

long time lurker who just created an account.

i was raised a witness, never dunked, have new jw bride ( why u ask?

um... i do love her, just not the dub side, which is raising its little head more and more now) and a little 5 month old that i would like to have other options in life than a full time pioneer married to a 23 year old ms who works for his daddy's janitor business.

Stumpy

Hi EternalPettingZoo,

Mrs Stumpy just read your post and asked me to respond. We all know how you feel mate. I was where you are this time last year. My wife too wouldn't have read anything "apostate". That's why I just used the Watchtower publications to wake Mrs Stumpy up. It is hard to refute something that has been written with so called "guidance from the holy spirit" :)

I slowly showed her my research over a period of a couple of months as I was finding it myself. This process seemed to work well as she could see I was very serious about studying everything. I suggest taking it slowly with your wife too. It will be very traumatic for her. From your post I can tell you love her a lot, so however long it takes will be well worth it if she does eventually wake up.

You are welcome to download scans of a good portion of my research below. A lot of it is on Jwfacts but these are scans of the original articles. The best option would be to get original hard copies of what you want to show her... but not everyone has unlimited access to the KH library like I did.

Here they are in PDF format. (Click the 'Download through your browser' link - not the big red button)...

Read First:

https://mega.nz/#!ysYnGAoQ!HCKOTvFFSbv7ENExiX25ZSRIKMNVrU95TAAetRj6px4

Generation:

https://mega.nz/#!eoQChBiZ!nW6QrGsmLyxJwA6vH8JVLTjiUnsxJu9E4XUauAR2RwM

Light Brighter Part A:

https://mega.nz/#!LlBigZIQ!nBHhw_Gxa54F8l8HpLT4J2q7FvgsgZdDBPYGsj0AyXI

Light Brighter Part B:

https://mega.nz/#!Lwok3Rpb!tjKDZ_0TcZWXR-Z1btbCFvAGgChMh0usT_o0iBC2lSA

Lies:

https://mega.nz/#!atBAhayK!Xa1MjqRyRYIZLzUye2i3AnB4CfYc7RAzq3G5RncjB4I

Deceit and Half Truths:

https://mega.nz/#!XkZD1LSa!Oz0ocoEDwhXUZthLJsf34Es__e3Y0siuFpO850GNn8Y

Re-Writing History:

https://mega.nz/#!rtRw0AIB!0l_hzObsu9nHdc8L_vCgH6G3f3MrdFGZGxETr5LFf-s

Double Standards:

https://mega.nz/#!TsIFWLoa!KPuvx5_3ps-gGmjU8SbEXQ8m6KSv8ErFerx_Z9qxydI

Fallacies:

https://mega.nz/#!T8RVwBhI!QLCTtjN1lkxxkPaFxTH8EWLua97ceDEtFTCpKkASAPs

Propaganda and Manipulation:

https://mega.nz/#!O4QWgapL!sfkxSG7hEamDrwHiXGoQpeqIMH4IPd25pfGbT00hKgw

Sex and Divorce:

https://mega.nz/#!HhIwXbzZ!vTOf8I1YQZEQ3OPLSM5BmeFaqXyqhKKjFsq-sigBH4U

Armageddon:

https://mega.nz/#!q94lSbaS!a3ZHBG3mOumWlX3okax8oddZfvC3PcAd5wY9c0DZ3gI

Baptism Questions:

https://mega.nz/#!mtRk0YZR!OCaOZ_QtiSRvTI6WUN-f4sxCqF6-R5ZjDzk79gp0IrU

Jesus Mediator:

https://mega.nz/#!y5hASKJQ!C9vBExl7QNkRwbNv6Hz2lEuH401PKZvtgzlgdb-RbTo

1925:

https://mega.nz/#!qxxVXI6Q!483VXJt86asmPnAAI-5uvaM7uy9W_sNFkIUkQtySN3g

1940s:

https://mega.nz/#!a0IxSDzA!AEA0VRGx96qfztFbJcf1CXbOig3Ha4HENibBixEYl_U

1950s:

https://mega.nz/#!G8QjWLSb!WxXDFNaKNmiMUytoBb5tkMlPqL91MSBzDuQFwu7qdMs

1960s:

https://mega.nz/#!e54lmRYB!_SKbI5zTzXFfsBUy93djPzRHWKUtAXQ938a64ROBG70

1975 Part A:

https://mega.nz/#!GhBxVIyQ!nljtQgaF7luzwVRXG8uKpTamR7x5AzTJj8zGz-rsED8

1975 Part B:

https://mega.nz/#!f5hikK6b!e1txHw19qzkc6leEP9LnEKL3KuTgvR8OXl6Ieg99bX4

2000:

https://mega.nz/#!jxhzwYxa!CnxlvkOLqA0FHZ5bXc7D5ZNXJ5Oezbdu_JQ2loUVwx0

Failed Dates:

https://mega.nz/#!q5RSELgb!HTEXeQlF73dCG1PkeYEHVGf1aDgK1NvO_DdvNEdqGws

1260, 1290, 1335 and 2300 Days:

https://mega.nz/#!vsgRET5Q!luqtO7TnVPebyYFOA0-LqvshsWgB_kmEMqTSj383GCc

Read Last:

https://mega.nz/#!SxBQiDoY!wPgSP5DHp9_YYZGd1xEw1xQbUrPCY3fcx5tvA4j4Hkk

Hope these help a little. Good luck mate.

Stumpy

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Today's Special Day Assembly Expenses and the $10,499 Deficit. Silent Majority?

by Tenacious in

today i attended a one-day assembly in my hometown.

i knew when it came time to read the afternoon expenses that it would be an incredibly high and ridiculous amount that was nowhere near the real expenses for that day.

sure enough, after lunch came the announcement.

Stumpy

Tech49

Oh, and a comment or two thrown in about "tight pants" , and what Tony Morris was really trying to say,...from the CO...

This is hilarious! Obviously it has caused quite a stir amongst the brothers . Could you fill us in on what the co thought he was really trying to say mate?

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"Wanted Jehovah Witness Publications Before 1940" Want Ads, I wonder why?

by The UFO Cult in

you all might find this craig's list ad interesting, i have publications "studies in the scriptures" plus others, how can i valuate my inheritance grandma left me?

grandma was poor, she was third-generation witness who spoke boldly without fear of men.

what do you think they want these books for, i have lots of books dated pre-1950s,, if i was to part with my treasure how much do i charge?.

Stumpy

Look up similar items on eBay and that will give you a bit of an idea.

I think they want them for research and to have the originals handy to show to loved ones what they say one day.

I also think it's important to have collections because I'm certain one day there will be an announcement telling all congs to destroy their libraries and just install a computer linked up to the online library.

By the way if you (or anyone else for that matter) have an original copy of the 1920's brochure "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" I am looking for one to finish off my collection. I will pay a good price.

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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

by Stumpy in

jw
friends

i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

Stumpy

disposable hero of hypocrisy

Your research is amazing, all those original scans. I will certainly benefit, and hopefully my wife will too one day. Thank you again

Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that the scans will be able to help. I hope that you can get your wife to wake up one day soon. I hate what this religion does to families!

umbertecho

I truly hope your wife and best friend manages to wake up, once and for all time.

Yes she is 100% awake now thank goodness. I'm a very, very lucky man. As I'm typing this she's watching the latest broadcast in utter disbelief as Splain tries to 'splain the overlapping crap.

You will find the silence in your' prayer, to be the exact answer to your' question...Wait, wait a little........perhaps a few days, then realise that you have your' answer.

We definitely got the answer to our prayer I can see now. We don't bother with speaking to indifferent, heartless, sky people anymore. The sound of crickets chirping got annoying. In the last prayer I ever said I expressed some pretty nasty things to whoever was on the other end. I'm sure they don't want to talk with me now anyway.

LevelThePlayingField

You already have the truth! That is, what the Bible says the truth is... Just do it the way Jesus said to do it.

Thank you for your thoughts but I'm afraid that we have moved on from that book and the characters in it. In the last file of my scans you can see the research I did - only from watchtower articles - that helped make up my mind as far as what I now think of the bible. Once I discovered the truth about that then I was completely free from any doctrine based on it. Here is the file again here (read the last half)...

https://mega.nz/#!SxBQiDoY!wPgSP5DHp9_YYZGd1xEw1xQbUrPCY3fcx5tvA4j4Hkk

Mary J Blige

I wondered where pappy got all this mega info from (promptly printed and clear file bound) and now I know. We sat reading through it all and its funny how it wasn't 'old' even knowing the flip flops was no substitute for seeing the actual text. Visual confirmation is a powerful thing! Lol. Now I understand your obsessive compulsive WT research comment as this stuff you've compiled is pretty good. It is helpful to have the full picture from start publication through flip floppy new old light, so thank you very much for sharing that info.

You made my day with that comment! Thank you for letting me know.

I'm so happy your parents are out with you. How are they coping with being awake at a late stage in life? Please say hi to them for me. I'm very jealous, I wish my parents were awake. My Dad is a hard-core Jdub and knows something is up with me. I know I'll be shunned very soon when they find out. Cherish the time you have with yours.

It's funny that your dad has it all printed out and bound. So do I. This is what it looks like...

Notice the folders go from dark and dreary to lighter and brighter

By the way that is only about half of the research I did. Yes I was a bit obsessive compulsive with it, but my future as well as my wife's were depending on this so I wasn't going to do it half-heartedly. I stopped compiling and filing it when Mrs Stumpy was finally awake and said she wanted to see the floor again instead of photocopies of WT articles piled up all over the place. (BTW that was one of the key ways in helping her wake up... she could see how serious I was about studying.)

After doing this I realized that it was almost all on jwfacts.com this whole time. Paul Grundy has done an absolutely amazing job with that website. I can only imagine the amount of time he has put into it. But I was determined not to look at any apostate sites during this time so it would all be my own decision. Plus my wife would never have looked at any apostate website either. But scans of original holy spirit blessed WT publications... they're not scary for a jw to look at. What's there to be afraid of.

As it turns out - a LOT

stuckinarut2

We shall make good use of those references! Thanks for sharing with all of us!

No problem mate. Very happy to be able to give back. You have been very encouraging to me, thank you my friend. One day we will go for that beer together. How is that wife of yours doing? I really hope she can join us here one day soon.

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For Those of You Who Still Serve... How Do You Do It?

by Kingdom Evader in

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friends

new here... been lurking for some time now.... i still serve... but with each passing day, it gets harder and harder.

i'm slowly... slowly working on my wife (i call her mrs. hardcore) and even my m-i-l (who taught my wife how to be hardcore).

making some amazing progress... they are still hardcore... but unrecognizable from a couple years ago!.

Stumpy

Hi KingdomEvader - Welcome, welcome, welcome!

I feel for you mate. I was in your exact shoes a few months ago. It's a tuff slog being awake and being an elder. I could only do it for a little while before stopping completely, once I knew it wasn't the truth my conscience wouldn't allow me to keep peddling that crap.

It takes a lot of guts to make a first post here so I can see you have it in you to get through this... it will be rough going for a while though unfortunately. We're all here to help you through it though. The people on this board are amazing and full of compassion and empathy as they have all been where you are. They have helped me and Mrs Stumpy immensely as we have made our way out.

How do you spend your time in field service? I've just been walking up to peoples doors, PRETEND TO RING THE DOOR BELL, (never knock) and then leave. I have avoided talking to so many people that way!

That's what I did too. When my wife woke, we would do it together we would make up the number of mags we "placed" and have fun telling the crazy zealous ones how awesome a morning we had. One morning one of them got so upset that she hadn't talked to anyone yet she asked if she could take what was supposed to be my next house... we swapped places and she found no-one and I lied that the house she was supposed to do turned into a potential bible study! She was so upset and jealous Man did we laugh about that. That's the only way I found to cope, make a game out of it and have some fun... otherwise you will go crazy.

We haven't been in field service for over 2 months now, believe me you're going to love getting your Saturday mornings back mate!

Shepherding calls are a nightmare... the ones I go on, I'll just talk about love and how to not be a terrible person. I hate going with elders that just want to drive in the "go to meetings, go in field service, do more" mantra.

The last few I did I told the elder I was with we are just going to ask them how they got the truth and then just listen, nothing more. Both parties loved it and I got out of the pressure of having to say something I didn't believe in anymore.

What about service meeting parts and public talks? How do you do those things with out raising suspicion or losing your sanity? If I were to listen to one of your public talks... would I know you were an apostate? Do you "lie" and say "support the GB" to avoid suspicion? Or do you make the talk as general and mainstream as possible and eliminate most of the cult speak?

Like mentioned before, just get rid of the ones your conscience won't let you do and stick to the generic ones. I actually had a lot of fun with my last public talk. I made it very practical and only used scriptures that contained good principles to live life by, whether you believe in a god or not. It went over really well. My last assembly part I had to give was more difficult as the outline had full on cult indoctrinating GB lingo in it. I just watered it down and eliminated the cult stuff like you mentioned and no one was the wiser. As someone mentioned above, the watchtower study is the hardest. If you are doing that I suggest getting out of that assignment asap... it will be torture otherwise.

Keep reading and posting mate.

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Awesome Way to Stop JW Family from Donating

by Stumpy in

so mrs stumpy's mother is still in.

we feel it would not be in her best interest to wake her up at her late stage in life.

she has a good little circle of friends that look after each other and keep her busy and out of meddling in our lives too much.

Stumpy

Oh yeah, a big fat ZERO for at least the last 5 years. As I wrote in another thread...

...we haven't donated a cent to the org for at least 5 years. When we were in some of our assignments we witnessed a horrible amount of waste of donated funds by certain missionaries and bethelites. So we decided to give that money directly to needy families instead. One jackass missionary in particular made sure he spent every cent of the home funds every single month, regardless of whether they needed to or not. They lived like kings. Yet in his cong there were very poor families struggling to pay for medication for their sick kids, let alone 2 meals a day and they were guilted by him almost every service meeting into donating more and more. Makes me mad just thinking about it!

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Awesome Way to Stop JW Family from Donating

by Stumpy in

so mrs stumpy's mother is still in.

we feel it would not be in her best interest to wake her up at her late stage in life.

she has a good little circle of friends that look after each other and keep her busy and out of meddling in our lives too much.

Stumpy

So Mrs Stumpy's mother is still in. We feel it would not be in her best interest to wake her up at her late stage in life. She has a good little circle of friends that look after each other and keep her busy and out of meddling in our lives too much.

A few weeks ago the subject of money came up.

Mrs Stumpy asked her how much she was donating each month. For an elderly lady on a pension it was a significant amount. Like a lot of elderly ones, she is asset rich but cash poor. As we suspected, she would scrimp and save in other areas so she could faithfully donate to "Jehovah" each month.

So Mrs Stumpy proceeds to tell her mum that she has been a good mother and provided for her children well over her life, but now it's her turn to be looked after... that we are doing well financially and so from now on we will add her donation to ours when we put it in.

Initially she hesitated saying that wouldn't be right.

But Mrs Stumpy asked her if the donations she made when they were little kids, and had no money of their own, were from just her or from the whole family? She said of course they were from the whole family! So then that's exactly the same with this... it doesn't matter where it comes from, as long as the family unit is donating. Her mum agreed. She was extremely appreciative and instantly said how difficult it has been some months and how guilty she used to feel. Now she has quite a bit extra to spend on herself each month

Man I love my wife and how she thinks.

So take that WTS... no more donations from her to fill your coffers!!!

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FAVORITE DRINK....

by brandnew in

jw
friends

me personally.....i think....if it was meant to be mixed ...it would come in the bottle that way.. that said...bacardi gold.

Stumpy

Either a good peaty single malt whisky or a dark, creamy stout.

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BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

by defender of truth in

for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

but where will this system of things be by that time?

Stumpy

Thank you DoT. I hadn't heard that interview either.

For any lurkers that have any doubts whether the 1975 fiasco was real or not, below are scans of every single mention of 1975 in the WT publications. See for yourself...

1975 Part A:

https://mega.nz/#!GhBxVIyQ!nljtQgaF7luzwVRXG8uKpTamR7x5AzTJj8zGz-rsED8

1975 Part B:

https://mega.nz/#!f5hikK6b!e1txHw19qzkc6leEP9LnEKL3KuTgvR8OXl6Ieg99bX4

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What ARE the fruits that the JW tree produces?

by TTWSYF in

my brother [the elder] often refers to this line as to 'knowing a tree by it;s fruits'.

so,my question is what are the jw fruits?.

just asking....sincerely.

Stumpy

Awesome analogy Magnum...

If the JW operation were a farm, the purpose of which is to produce literal fruit, then the leaders should be immediately fired. There would be workers doing everything possible to avoid real work. They'd be looking for ways to appear busy without really working.

They'd spend a whole bunch of time at boring company meetings talking about producing fruit, but little time actually doing it. They would be lacking in cultivating, fertilizing, reaping, and storing ability.Their marketing skills would be awful. They wouldn't be able to answer questions about their company. They couldn't defend it. They'd run from accusations against it.

And if you were a worker on that farm and mentioned to anyone at all that you think some of the fruit being packed and distributed is rotten, you'd be dragged to the front gate and kicked to the road in a heartbeat. You would never be allowed back on to the property where your family is living... unless you come grovelling back on your hands and knees to the lead hands and agree to eat and help with packing and distributing that rotten produce again.